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Jackie: Another example, Richard, of fully-abled athletes participating in the Paralympic games is with the five-a-side football. How do you think that takes place?

Richard: I'm not sure.

Jackie: I know. When you start to think about how some of these people play these games it's... it's interesting, isn't it?

Richard: Right. With no arms?

Jackie: No, no, actually the... the... good question, but the five-a-side football is only for the visually impaired.

Richard: Oh right, okay.

Jackie: Now as we've said, some people are more visually impaired than others. Some are partially sighted and some are blind so they all have to wear masks um... so that everybody can't see.

Richard: Right

Jackie: So if it's five-a-side, there's the goalie and then there's.. then there's the four people in the field, isn't there?

Richard: Right, yes.

Jackie: So it's the goalie who can be fully-sighted.

Richard: And he instructs his players does he?

Jackie: In addition...again another good question, in addition to the goalie shouting out, there's also a guide, a fully sighted guide that can shout out to the players where to go.

Richard: It must be a bit of a nightmare with the crowd as well though, surely?

Jackie: There is no... the crowd are not allowed to make a noise [Richard laughs] no, because in addition, the ball has got some bearings in so it makes a noise, so the players, it's fascinating, the players are listening for the sound of the ball, so it must be the only football match that you go and see where you can't cheer your team on.